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Being the man he was he tried to die with dignity and held his head high. Anakin wanted him dead more than Palpatine did. , Darth Bane came up with the “Rule of Two” to ensure the survival of the Sith. The original plan behind their confrontation aboard Grievous's ship was that he would kill Obi-Wan (the biggest obstacle to Anakin turning to the dark side), and Anakin would defeat him and bring him in as a prisoner. With that said, it's almost certain that Dooku did know the truth about the Chancellor, and that the criticism and kidnapping was all part of Dooku's act to foster war within the galaxy. Prismsblade 1 year ago #2. However, with the death of his Master Plagueis at his own hand, and the presumed death of Darth Maul at the hands of Obi-Wan Kenobi, Palpatine needed an ally to further his own plans for galactic domination. Anakin hesitated though, musing that as a Jedi, he shouldn't, and requiring an extra prompting (the infamous DO IT) before he, well... did it. If Lucas wanted to have Anakin kill Dooku, he should have just had Anakin kill him on impulse during the fight without any pressure from Palpatine. So how does he explain to Obi-Wan. Anakin’s weak emotional mind allowed Palpatine to dominate him entirely, such that Darth Vader never tried to kill Palpatine—until Luke showed up and broke through the emotional prison Palpatine held over his father. In the end Dooku was at the mercy of a man he never tried to recruit as his apprentice, much unlike Obi-Wan, whom he tried to recruit on Geonosis. First off Plapatine didn't have the Separatist killed, Sidious did. He also planted seeds of doubt in Anakin about the Jedi Council’s intentions. That said, it's also understandable why he couldn't bring himself to kill Anakin. Count Dooku, also known as Darth Tyranus, was a powerful Sith Lord and the Head of State of the Confederacy of Independent Systems during the Clone Wars. Anakin had no idea why he spared Dooku, but he knew this was going to change things. This theory suggests that Mace Windu might have been corrupted by power during the Clone Wars. Dooku did approach one of his old apprentices, though. I'm hoping we'll find out why Vader seems so obedient and a little bit afraid of the Emperor in the OT. and then ya know, Anakin would have just did it. As it turns out, the plot had nothing to do with preventing Padme to vote against the clone army, it was merely a personal revenge. Dooku’s fighting style was based on one on one. At Palpatine's urging, Anakin killed an already-defeated and literally disarmed Dooku. His chances seemed far better with Savage, but he turned out to be a traitor. According to the novelisation of RotS, Dooku was in agreement with Palpatine's plans and had no immediate plans to betray him. It'd be a shame if it was left behind it's such a beautiful weapon. In the fictional universe of the Star Wars franchise, Palpatine is a master manipulator and "phantom menace". Thread Status: Not open for further replies. However, Palpatine was wrong. The plot also needed an early example of Anakin's flirtation with the dark side so we get a decapitation...ya know, interspersed between a goofy coughing robotlizard and R2/battle droid slapstick humor. databank. As the title implies, I was having a conversation with a mate about Count Dooku and we couldn't agree on whether or not Dooku … I'm sure he was mad at Palpetine for turning on him. Dooku may know that Sidious is pulling the strings on both sides, that Mas Amedas' words, whispered into Valorum's ears, were really Palpatine's words--but the duty of the Apprentice is to one day kill the Master and carry on the lineage. -Why did Palpatine want Padme killed? Star Wars Topic Archived; Page 1 of 2; Last ; You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. Registered: May 24, 2002. The act of killing them was least challenging that he did in ROTS. May 29, 2006 #2 Re: Did Anakin keep Dooku\'s lightsaber? As it turns out, the plot had nothing to do with preventing Padme to vote against the clone army, it was merely a personal revenge. On top of that, the two knew each other's forms intimately: ... And only then did Dooku understand that he’d been suckered. So he had to do something about Obi Wan quickly, so that he could fight Anakin one on one. So to Dooku Anakin must have semed like one of many hotheaded young Knights. When Palpatine betrayed Dooku and had Anakin execute him, why didn't Dooku betray Palpatines identity to Anakin in return. He also ponders whether or not he really wants Anakin to kill him. Count Dooku of Serenno wouldn't plead for his life or betray his ideals. Ask Question Asked 3 years, 1 month ago. Chancellor Palpatine pulled various swings by orchestrating the Clone Wars of Episode II and leading the Jedi to believe that General Grievous or Count Dooku were the masterminds behind the Separatist attacks. 0. Comment. While historically there have been wars in the galaxy, the Jedi don't exist as generals -- at least, not regularly. In Clone Wars Season 4, episodes 15-18, there is a whole plot about Count Dooku selecting bounty hunters for a mission to kidnap Palpatine from Naboo's Festival of Light. Star Wars is an American epic space opera franchise, created by George Lucas and centered around a film series that began with the eponymous 1977 movie. Whether or not it was a trick, Windu should have NOT attempted to kill someone who was essentially surrendered by begging for help. But I think that he wanted to destroy the Jedi more than he wanted to score some desperate revenge on his master. Did you watch TCW or remember Dooku's conversation with Kenobi in AotC? So failing in several attemtps to kill a member of the Jedi Council was the reason why Tyranus gave up on Ventress. Emperor Palpatine's trap in Return of the Jedi was targeted at Luke Skywalker - and Darth Vader's redemption was the only way he could lose. They have to have decapitations, lightsaber duels and Anakin tempted by the dark side, but because the original trilogy has to happen and the prequels have to be written in a certain way, no one in the movies act like real people. In the canon novel Dark Disciple, Windu suggests assassinating Dooku, which Obi-Wan and Yoda oppose out of fear that such an act would draw them far closer to the Dark Side. Yeah I think imma go with the answer that Dooku didn't wanna kill his padawan's padawan. June 21, 2015 This follows from this question: Does the Rule of Two Serve any Actual Purpose? At the end of Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones, Count Dooku’s (Christopher Lee) allegiance to the dark side of the Force is confirmed when Chancellor Palpatine, a.k.a. Dooku isn't pure evil, unlike Palpatine. You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. His outlook on the use of the Force, which led him to reject overt aggression and hostility. I imagine Palpatines position as Chancellor would be useful in secretly letting Dooku escape. Anakin: "Can you walk?" Anyway, as to why he recruited Anakin, he already had Dooku around, so he clearly wanted a second Sith to help him out with things, and Anakin was the best option. Kenobi's survival prompted Palpatine to alter his plans slightly. 3DS Friend Code: 4914-3099-5529. https://www.quora.com/Why-wasnt-Obi-Wan-Kenobi-crushed-when-Count-Dooku-dropped-a-platform-on-him-in-episode-3, "My business is with Echigoya...step aside or i will have to kill you.". Why didn't Dooku kill Obi Wan in RotS while he was force choking him. Palpatine thought that Anakin was so full of hate and resentment that he was ready to kill Dooku. From "Kill him!" Why didn't Dooku tall Anakin Palpatine … In the novelization he briefly tries to convince Palpatine that they should attempt to turn Obiwan instead of Anakin. or was able to attack either. star wars - Why did Palpatine order Anakin to kill Count Dooku when Anakin was not yet turned to the Dark Side? Related Obi-Wan Kenobi. Why didn't Count Dooku tell Anakin about Palpatine when he was betrayed? He needed to to kill Obi-wan . This as well the overuse of CGI and crappy directed are the three main reasons why the prequels suck. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The most devastating defeat is the one which comes when you have stood on the edge of victory. It was clearly breaking the Rule of Two and Anakin wasn't his apprentice at that time. Rael Aveross had been Dooku's Padawan before Qui-Gon, and was in a very vulnerable place after the death of his own apprentice. Official Sephiroth of the Super Smash Bros. Anakin then releases Palpatine from his restraints and Anakin looks at Dooku. The Rule of Two only works if the master is more powerful than the apprentice. While he fights t… And then, Palpatine ordered Anakin to kill him. According to the novelisation of RotS,Dooku was in agreement with Palpatine's plans and had no immediate plans to betray him. I think it went down with the ship. I'm thinking, nothing mattered. Also, right before the part where Anakin cuts his head off, Palpatine urges Anakin on and Dooku remebers what his master always told him, "Treason is the way of the Sith." Palpatine did not reveal himself at that point, unsure of Dooku's true allegiances. J. Afterwards Anakin would come back to his senses and be all like "I shouldn't have done that". Did Palpatine ever try to find Obi-Wan in the ~20 years between RotS and ANH? This question is asking why he didn't before, and if he ever had any plans to do so. When Sidious defeated Maul on Mandalore he also reminded his former apprentice, that there is no mercy. But he didn't tell Dooku that." One of his droids could have walked up to him and said "Sir, the Jedis killed Dooku and freed the Chancellor." Afterwards Anakin would come back to his senses and be all like "I shouldn't have done that". As /u/AztecJ said, it is because the prequels are written backwards. Joined Feb 3, 2006 Messages 3,018 Reaction score 0. (Star Wars canon is a convoluted place.) 4 Why Does Palpatine Have Him Killed? Introduced in Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones played by Christopher Lee, Count Dooku has become one of the franchise's most imposing villains. Yoda wasn't able to defeat Palpatine - or fare as well against him as Windu did - because of a number of factors: His age and physical infirmity, relative to Palpatine and Windu. Yes, Dooku is aware of Palpatine being the Sith Lord because as he fights Anakin he wonders why Palpatine is rooting him on. It seems like becoming a Sith Lord also requires one to kill at least one high ranking member of the Jedi Order. Betrayal among the Sith was commonplace, so Dooku had to play a little 4D chess in order to assure Palpatine he was still obedient. When Sidious betrayed Dooku and told Anakin to kill him, Dooku easily could have told the truth about Palpatine. Why did Dooku attempt to kidnap Palpatine on Naboo? (Which also partly explains Dooku's shocked face when Sidious tells Anakin to kill Dooku. Dooku had spent the last ten years of his life working on the plot to overthrow the Jedi. The moment Tyranus was defeated he had to expect his execution as a failed apprentice. I mean I love the prequels, but they just aren't good movies. “Kill him now,” Palpatine commanded. And I'll have to disagree with those who said Dooku was too noble to take out Yoda. -Why did Palpatine want Padme killed? Why did Dooku attempt to kidnap Palpatine on Naboo? From "Kill him!" And then, Palpatine ordered Anakin to kill him. He would then 'defect' from the Separatists and Palpatine would allow him to live out his life as the Empire rose to power. After a long time, the venerable master began to doubt the Jedi Order and its teachings. I think it's safe to assume that even if Dooku did want to kill Yoda, he must have figured Yoda would sense him approaching. --George Lucas, The Making Of ROTS; Page 41. Doesn't that seem awfully selfless for a Sith? Sidious just goaded him over the moral hump. Author gizzy2000 Date 8-Aug-2014, 10:55 PM Author gizzy2000 Time 8-Aug-2014 10:55 PM Post link. He would probably have abused his authority and power to have him killed at a later time before he could reveal any significant information. According to the novelization, Palpatine's original plan was for Dooku to kill Kenobi, enabling Palpatine to recruit Anakin immediately after Dooku's death. Viewed 3k times 4. The Skywalker saga is the story of Palpatine's rise to power, his defeat, and his attempt to regain power once again. It might've even saved his life. Kill everyone. FINISH HIM OFF!" Feb 28, 2000. There are several reasons we can track, but the ultimate answer will always return to this kernel: It’s because that was what would serve Sidious the best for his plans and desires. User Info: Prismsblade. Sidious had the Separatists killed for the same reason the dissolved the Imperial Senate at the start of Episode IV, to consolidate his power. Answer. Infact, this is by far the most complicated story in canon. Dooku understood that the ultimate goal of the sith was more important than his own life. Because his entire character was only a last minute substitute for the originally intended Darth Jar Jar, who would've ranked above Palpatine and would be either betrayed by him or defeated by yoda. Doesn't force strangle make more sense than force choke? The second Sith Apprentice to Palpatine, Dooku was the mastermind behind the Clone Wars, leading the Separatists in battle against … It's the same reason Annie and Obi-Wan don't pick up on the obvious hints that Sheev is dropping for the audience. Windu never argues that this wouldn't, but tries to push the practical reality of such an act and how it would further the Jedi's campaign against the Separatists. If Dooku's plan did work, then that means Palpatine was too weak to forsee the attempt on his life, and therefore is an unworthy master. It may have saved Dookus life by delaying Anakin, or persuaded Anakin to take Dooku hostage. In my opinion Mace Windu Probably as in fact doing the wrong thing by trying to kill Palpatine one he was defeated. Emperor Palpatine / Darth Sidious. Say no matter how much prodding he did, Anakin completely refused to kill Dooku, what would Palpatine have done? Privacy PolicyCookie SettingsDo Not Sell My InformationReport Ad. Maybe Dooku thinks that with his "idealism" he will be able to bring about a new golden age. It's quite sad really. Share Share Tweet Email. During his time as a Jedi, Dooku excelled at saber combat and was even considered one the greatest swordsmen in the Order. When Anakin killed Dooku, did he keep the Counts lightsaber, throw it on his remains or did Palpatine keep it as a trophy? According to the novel, Sidious had told Dooku to hold back, because he wanted to use Anakin to murder Obi-Wan. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > stormcloud8 Jedi Grand Master. While this moment isn't really any of Dooku's own doing, it still doesn't make much sense that Palpatine would want him dead. He even says it in the episode after beating down Maul. The plot demanded that Dooku be taken out so Palpatine could start his work on Anakin, and it demanded that Anakin couldn't find out who Palpatine really was until later in the movie...so Dooku said nothing. Palpatine allowed political tensions to convince the Senate to slowly give authority over to him. Per Sidious' orders, Dooku commissioned the creation of a clone army that would be used by the Republic in the war against the Confederacy, and led the Separatist movement throughout said war, which Sidious took advantage of to rise to power as Supreme Chancellor of the Republic, under his public identity of Sheev Palpatine. In hindsight, Obi-Wan may have effectively derailed the Sith's evil plans to create the evil Empire had he killed Anakin, leaving Emperor Palpatine without his planned sidekick who mostly remained loyal to him until Return of the Jedi. However, Mace Windu os a major wartime figure for the Jedi, and he orchestrates the Republic's actions during the war, not unlike Palpatine. Dooku complied, most likely because he lost his faith in her. Dooku would ascend to Sith Master, take a new apprentice, and the cycle continues. Dooku was far more likely to kill Palpatine. Active 11 months ago. This is a somewhat non-canon, almost headcanon answer, unsupported by the movies themselves, but rooted in the books written about the movies. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Ultimate Board. [HCSF] "I must obey my Master" - Could Palpatine kill Dooku? While Anakin would later tell Palpatine about his attack on the Tusken Raiders, Palpatine very readily uses it as a point of manipulation against Anakin, to convince him to give into his violent urges once again. He never went to Mandalor to kill Maul. Subscribe to this blog. The reason Windu investigates is because it's sort of hard to believe Dooku was killed mysteriously with Obi-Wan unconscious, and Anakin and the Chancellor equally being shady about the details of how he died. The user thinks that Windu must have gone to the wreckage of the Separatist ship Dooku was murdered on, and seen through a holo-recording that Palpatine made Anakin kill Dooku. Had he continued to choke Obi Wan, Anakin would have recovered and went at him. Discussion in 'Revenge of the Sith (Non-Spoilers)' started by stormcloud8, Oct 15, 2004. Why As an add-on, Dooku and Palpatine spent most of their time far away from one another. Count Dooku's death comes at the hands of Anakin Skywalker, but it wouldn't have happened had Chancellor Palpatine not instructed it to happen. Just like how Anakin kicking Dooku is a legitimate edge. He was shocked into inactivity/speechlessness by his defeat by Anakin. As it's been said, Padme's death was part of the deal between Dooku and Nute Gunray, and it is unknown if Palpatine knew about that, or if he agreed to the plan. The Prequels show how the Jedi exist as peacekeepers who maintain order. It was also possible that --despite his future vision-- he would fail to seduce Anakin. Dooku tried to overthrow Sidious twice, when he trained Asajj Ventress and Savage Opress as Sith apprentices. Reality: As with pretty much every other character choice and action throughout the prequels, this was yet another case of the plot driving the character. It's very possible that throughout the entire Clone Wars, Palpatine kept one secret better than you think. Palpatine had always helped him keep the dragon down. Sounds like that was exactly his plan the whole time. Though appearing to be a well-intentioned senator and supporter of democracy before becoming emperor, Palpatine is actually Darth Sidious, the dark lord of the Sith—a cult of practitioners of the dark side of the Force—and master of Darth Maul and Count Dooku. Good question! Dooku is a noble-esk kind of guy, but Dooku was going to kill a defenseless, injured Obi-Wan had Anakin not saved the day. Yoda. yeah, but didn't he tell Obi Wan that the senate was under the control of the dark lord of the sith in episode 2? Darth Maul maybe didn't know Palps was Darth Sidious. Dooku's capture would be a major victory for Palpatine and a turning point in the war. Yoda didn't stand a chance against Darth Jar Jar. Wasn't trying to. Anakin Skywalker. After some time, Dooku would defect to the Republic while Palpatine reorganised the Republic into what would become the Empire. He's already planning on making Anakin his apprentice long before he disposes of Dooku. And Dooku died mysteriously and i somehow got out of these restraints. until Dooku's head rolled, there was a long 18 seconds. 10 votes, 19 comments. Dooku secretly plotted to kill and overthrow his master, unaware … ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Palpatine would tell him he did the right thing. Tell Jedi that Obi-Wan and Anakin died killing Dooku (they beat Dooku,but the wounds were too great, they died getting Palpatine to the escape pod, etc etc). Sign Up for free (or Log In if you already have an account) to be able to post messages, change how messages are displayed, and view media in posts. Boards; Star Wars; Why did Ki-Adi-Mundi dismiss Padmes idea about Dooku? Anakin put his hatred and anger aside to do what he knew was right. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. C. CloneCommander1. The original plan behind their confrontation aboard Grievous's ship was that he would kill Obi-Wan (the biggest obstacle to Anakin turning to the dark side), and Anakin would defeat him and bring him in as a prisoner. But Palpatine still ordered Anakin to kill Dooku. In-universe: Dooku likely understood that Anakin had the potential to be far more powerful than he ever could be, and if the Sith were truly going to kill the Jedi, Anakin would give them a much better chance at succeeding. Their goal was the destroy the jedi and he knew if he exposed Palpatine then that goal was threatened. I always thought during tcw Dooku was working to bring down the Sith and the Jedi and make himself the most powerful. Palpatine would tell him he did the right thing. until Dooku's head rolled, there was a long 18 seconds. According to Dooku, the original plan was for him to kill Obi-Wan, then allow Anakin to defeat and capture him. 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